— What’s the difference between coaching and therapy?
— About £150/h.
This joke is from an interview with Laurence Barrett, an experienced coach and founding director of Heresy Consulting. I think this isn’t exactly what Laurence meant, so listen to the episode for the full nuance. However, this joke got me thinking. What is the difference between therapy and coaching?
I’ll try to answer this from the perspective of being a coach, but also from my experience of working with about five coaches during my CEO years and about as many therapists, too.
This question came up in every single coaching training programme I’ve taken. New coaches, inevitably anxious and insecure, which is a good thing — a new coach who thinks they know what they’re doing can be dangerous, — want to understand the difference between what they do and what therapists do.
Likewise, coaching course leaders are keen to stress the boundary between therapy and coaching to protect their clients from coaches attempting to do things they shouldn’t do, like treating depression.
And that’s where hand-waving starts. Every coach trainer I’ve seen address the question waves their hands differently.
Handwaving as an answer
Some say that it’s about orientation to the future. Therapy supposedly heals the past, but coaching focuses on what’s happening right now and the goals for the future. There’s a tiny grain of truth to this, but it’s also true that coaching can and does go into the client’s past when needed, and successful therapy can and does enable the client to function better in the present and achieve different results in the future.
Some say that it’s about the issue the client brings. If it looks like something that can be found in a diagnostic manual, like depression or obsessive-compulsive disorder, it’s a case for therapy. If it sounds like helping a well-functioning person function even better, it’s a case for coaching. Again, there’s a grain of truth to it. At the extremes, it’s easy: clinical depression => therapy, executive presence => coaching. The problem is that there are many clients in between who are facing questions that could be approached from either perspective.
One coach who trained me advised me not to try answering this question if a client raises it but instead invite the client to inquire what’s behind it. Are they just curious, or are they worried that a coach will try to use therapeutic approaches without being a licensed therapist? Or something else? Not a bad way to deflect a difficult question.
Three reasons it’s hard to draw the line
This question is hard to answer for three reasons: money, insecurity and lack of clarity on what we’re talking about.
Let’s start with money, which the £150/h joke was about. Coaches tend to charge more than therapists — 3x, 5x, 10x more per hour, and sometimes even more. Such a price difference prompts intense handwaving to explain how coaching and therapy are a world apart. At this point, the truth starts to get stretched like a pizza base.
Why do coaches tend to charge more? Part of it is the business model: fewer sessions per client instead of a weekly slot that can last for years. Part of it is that many coaches carefully position themselves as a business solution, meaning they feed from corporate budgets that are infinitely bigger than individual budgets. Part of it is their expectations: if a high-flyer used to an expensive lifestyle decides to go into coaching, they’ll go either at a high ticket or not at all.
But the bottom line of all of this is that the money question puts pressure on coaches to come up with creative and convincing answers about how what they do is not therapy.
The second reason is insecurity. Therapists are trained and licensed as such. Coaches are not. Anyone can call themselves a coach, regardless of whether they know what they’re doing or have any training or relevant experience, giving rise to a coach industrial complex.
So, if coaching and therapy are sufficiently similar but therapists are properly trained and licensed, how do you justify being a coach without comparable training and experience? Well, by handwaving, explaining there’s a big difference between the two, of course.
But the biggest reason it’s hard to draw the line between the two is that we haven’t yet defined what therapy and coaching are. It’s easier said than done, given that many kinds of therapeutic and coaching approaches exist. Consider a therapist practising Internal Family Systems therapy and a coach doing “parts work”. Both are using tried and tested approaches of approaching different psychological parts of ourselves as if they were people living inside us in their own right. I can imagine witnessing a session with a client and not being completely sure if I’m witnessing an IFS therapist or a coach doing similar work.
Then, there are wild differences within each field. For example, cognitive-based therapy is very different from Jungian psychoanalysis, even though both are therapies. Yet, Jungian work often focuses on self-actualisation and personal growth rather than addressing any specific “problem," making it sound very much like coaching territory. The differences between different coaching approaches are even greater within the coaching field.
So, we effectively have two fields, which are different at the extremes but have significant similarities in the middle, and strong money-driven and insecurity-driven incentives to pull them apart a bit further than is, perhaps, warranted.
My own attempt at handwaving
I won’t attempt to give a general answer because I don’t have it. Without clearly defining coaching and therapy, I can’t tell what the difference is. Instead, I’ll explain what I have seen in my own work over the years.
As I’ve argued in an earlier essay, “On Therapy and Coaching”,
most challenges I see founders face are psychological in nature, even if on the surface they look practical: fundraising, co-founder conflicts, team restructuring etc.
Despite this, therapists can be ill-equipped to help startup founders navigate their challenges because they also have a strong practical component with which the therapist might not have experience. For example, a founder going through a difficult cost-cutting process or fundraising would benefit from working with someone who’s been there. Even when coaches don’t give advice, their experience helps them understand what’s happening for the client.
Coaches working with founders have the opposite problem: they usually have the experience they need to understand what’s going on for their clients, but they often lack the depth of therapists' training.
The biggest difference I see is the scope of work. As a coach, I always choose how to approach a particular interaction with a founder. Sometimes, the right thing to do is to focus on the feelings, doing somatic or mindfulness work that’s not too far from what a therapist would do. Sometimes, the right thing to do is to focus on the situation's practical aspects and help the founder problem-solve. Occasionally, the right thing to do is ask for permission to offer advice. In some cases, the right thing to do is to refer the client to a therapist.
This is what my own coaches did for me, navigating a wide range of questions with a wide range of tools, whereas my work with my own therapists has been more narrowly focused on what’s happening in my psyche rather than the boardroom.
Whether this difference in scope is worth those “£150/hour” depends on the specific client. In some cases, founders will be better off with a good therapist. In these cases, the £150/hour joke is not a joke. In other cases, they’ll need a specific coach's expertise.
However, whether you work with a coach, a therapist or both, the most important thing is to find the right person for you. The match between you two is probably more important than whether they practice therapy, coaching, or what specific modalities they have been trained to use.
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Some lovely thoughts Evgeny, on a topic I think about and talk about a lot.
My additional thoughts:
- Coaching is therapeutic. Therein will forever lie the rub.
- I don't recall seeing in your article the frequency of sessions. Generally, in my experience, therapy takes pace at a more frequent cadence - weekly? - versus coaching which might often be more like monthly.
- One of the foundations of my business - and theme through the podcasts - is that it is up to each practioner to delineate and articulate their own boundaries. Binary lines are helpful in training, but much like competencies, are often held with more nuance and sophistication the more we practice.
- Last, quick plug for my own conversation with Laurence, which many folks have loved and was featured in this quarter's Coaching Perspectives magazine from the AC:
https://theedgeofcoaching.buzzsprout.com/2152026/13692477-12-laurence-barrett-jung-the-unconscious-the-future-of-coaching
I love this.
So, basically, I don't disagree. And I can see you are a coach.
I am coming from an NLP background, have been coaching for years, got lots of experience and found that therapeutic modalities can really benefit my coaching clients. You mentioned parts work for instance.
However, I started training as a therapist a couple of years ago and when practising I find that some clients want more, they want to solve the past and then move to the future (coaching). Or that some coachees ask for deeper analysis why they have a limiting belief, asking me to work as a therapist.
It's a profession now known as Personal Consultancy and I will dedicate my dissertation to it. Having started the literature review, I am excited about the space and wonder how we can integrate the two.
I almost believe it's easier to integrate coaching into therapy, once a client is ready. And, where do you draw the lines when you have a clinically depressed person in coaching?
For the founders it becomes an advantage as you are their personal consultant, you deal with therapy, coaching, and to a certain extend mentoring too. That's a price tag that easily justifies the £150/hour or more tbh. Also, therapy still has a negative connotation, meaning whilst most people are now happy to talk about therapy, some C-Levels do not want to mention the T word. It is still associated with weakness. Yet having a coach is seen as 'makes sense', 'cool' even (if I may say so).
From my understanding the US American market is a lot more advanced in terms of people having personal therapist and coaches and work with them on an ongoing basis. Imagine instead of paying two people on a regular basis, you only pay one? A one stop shop, less time, less expense, same result - or even better as the personal consultant is better placed to connect the dots.
Popovic and Jinks wrote a book on it (Personal Consultancy). So they deserve a lot of credit for the initial idea. Yet, as part of my dissertation, I will also examine the ethical boundaries and dual relationship, as this could be a challenge. Although, from early discussions with my own therapy and coaching clients, I don't think it's a problem....depending on the issue ;-) And that's where we start with the boundaries again.