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George Warren's avatar

Some lovely thoughts Evgeny, on a topic I think about and talk about a lot.

My additional thoughts:

- Coaching is therapeutic. Therein will forever lie the rub.

- I don't recall seeing in your article the frequency of sessions. Generally, in my experience, therapy takes pace at a more frequent cadence - weekly? - versus coaching which might often be more like monthly.

- One of the foundations of my business - and theme through the podcasts - is that it is up to each practioner to delineate and articulate their own boundaries. Binary lines are helpful in training, but much like competencies, are often held with more nuance and sophistication the more we practice.

- Last, quick plug for my own conversation with Laurence, which many folks have loved and was featured in this quarter's Coaching Perspectives magazine from the AC:

https://theedgeofcoaching.buzzsprout.com/2152026/13692477-12-laurence-barrett-jung-the-unconscious-the-future-of-coaching

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Volker Ballueder's avatar

I love this.

So, basically, I don't disagree. And I can see you are a coach.

I am coming from an NLP background, have been coaching for years, got lots of experience and found that therapeutic modalities can really benefit my coaching clients. You mentioned parts work for instance.

However, I started training as a therapist a couple of years ago and when practising I find that some clients want more, they want to solve the past and then move to the future (coaching). Or that some coachees ask for deeper analysis why they have a limiting belief, asking me to work as a therapist.

It's a profession now known as Personal Consultancy and I will dedicate my dissertation to it. Having started the literature review, I am excited about the space and wonder how we can integrate the two.

I almost believe it's easier to integrate coaching into therapy, once a client is ready. And, where do you draw the lines when you have a clinically depressed person in coaching?

For the founders it becomes an advantage as you are their personal consultant, you deal with therapy, coaching, and to a certain extend mentoring too. That's a price tag that easily justifies the £150/hour or more tbh. Also, therapy still has a negative connotation, meaning whilst most people are now happy to talk about therapy, some C-Levels do not want to mention the T word. It is still associated with weakness. Yet having a coach is seen as 'makes sense', 'cool' even (if I may say so).

From my understanding the US American market is a lot more advanced in terms of people having personal therapist and coaches and work with them on an ongoing basis. Imagine instead of paying two people on a regular basis, you only pay one? A one stop shop, less time, less expense, same result - or even better as the personal consultant is better placed to connect the dots.

Popovic and Jinks wrote a book on it (Personal Consultancy). So they deserve a lot of credit for the initial idea. Yet, as part of my dissertation, I will also examine the ethical boundaries and dual relationship, as this could be a challenge. Although, from early discussions with my own therapy and coaching clients, I don't think it's a problem....depending on the issue ;-) And that's where we start with the boundaries again.

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